What led you to get involved in Martial Arts?
When I was very young, age nine, I lived in a very rough area in
New York City's Chinatown. I was once beaten up badly and almost
died as a result, so I decided to learn how to defend myself.
Some of my Chinese friends introduced me to a teacher of Kung Fu
in Chinatown. This was my start in martial arts training. I fell
in love with it and have never stopped since.
Who was your main inspiration, beyond Ch'ang Tung Sheng?
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All of my teachers inspired me in some way. Each was different in
his approach to teaching. Each taught me different aspects of the
martial arts. Some were weapons experts, some were throwing
experts and some were very fast with their hand techniques.
Although my last teacher (Chang Tung Sheng) was the most famous,
I would not be who I am today without every one of my teachers.
It was the combination of all their knowledge that helped me to
learn this wonderful art.
Your school was the first to be united with the Shao-lin Temple in
Mainland China, thats an incredible accomplishment, how did that come about?
The Shao-lin Temple in China sent Master Gwo-lin Fashr to America
to help spread the Shao-lin martial arts to the American people.
When he arrived he traveled around the country to visit many
martial arts schools. What he found did not appeal to him. Then
one day one of my Chinese students, who worked at a Buddhist
Temple and knew Master Gwo-lin, told him about our school. A
meeting was arranged where he came to our school and watched our
class.
Because we taught the Shao-lin Kung Fu at our school and
had a good background, he wanted to join our efforts to spread
the arts. He needed a good American partnership to help him
better understand American customs. So we joined our schools and
now work closely together, sharing a friendship and exchange of
thoughts and techniques.
I would not be who I am today without every one of my teachers.
It was the combination of all their knowledge that helped me to
learn this wonderful art.
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We are indeed honored to have such a
wonderful relationship. Our friendship has grown over nine years
and I am happy to say we have a lasting and close tie now.
Your martial arts background includes several different arts beyond
Chinese martial arts, in your opinion what is the difference in the
teachings, beyond the style of the martial art?
My training is indeed varied. Each art form is quite different
from all others. As you may know there are many styles in the
martial arts. In the Shao-lin Temple alone they have over 300
different recorded styles of martial arts.
All students must choose which style they favor or what kind of
techniques they would like to train in. There are hitting arts,
throwing arts, fancy kicking arts, fast hands arts, locking arts
and many more. My choices were based on my need to learn certain
types of techniques that suited my nature and physical
attributes.
One of my teachers was a Southern fighter. He introduced me to
animal styles, Tiger, Dragon, Eagle etc. The stances were higher
and faster and the techniques were in many ways unique. Another
teacher showed me the Northern styles of Old Shao-lin, like Tan
Tway (spring legs arts). This improved my stances and showed me
other methods of stepping and using body power that was far
different from the Southern schools.
Another style called Mei ung Ch'uan (confusion fist) showed me
the fancy body work of twisting and turning. Yet another taught
me the use of Shuai Chaio (throwing arts) for in-close combat. I
also studied some Judo which taught me more about ground work and
varying throws. Of course the internal arts of Ba Gwa (eight
trigram boxing) Hsing Yi (mind fist boxing) and Tai Chi (grand
ultimate art) taught me more than I could mention here about the
mind and internal energy.
The list could go on. My point is each art form
has something to offer, so I cannot say which is better, because
each strengthens the other.
The level of your devotion to Martial Arts is impressive, your
credentials are impeccable. What is your ultimate goal?
I simply look forward each day to
learning more and enjoying what I have learned so far.
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You ask what my ultimate goal is; my answer would be to continue
to learn, because there is no end in learning until we die.
Learning is limitless, so I simply look forward each day to
learning more and enjoying what I have learned so far. As for
goals I would have to say it is to improve myself as a person and
to perfect all that I have learned.
How do you feel about martial arts becoming more mainstream in today's
society?
I am not sure the martial arts have become completely part of the
American mainstream quite yet. They have surely grown since my
start, and great strides have been made, but I think things are
still growing. Of course I am extremely happy to see the growth
thus far. It is my sincere wish that this trend will continue and
that more Americans will come to know just how wonderful
training in the arts is, and how much it has to offer anyone
willing to learn. There are now more Masters in this country than
in any other point in history. I am most gratified to know that
there are more teachers here spreading authentic martial arts.
What are your feelings on "Full Contact Fighting" and how it exploded over
the last few years?
Concerning full contact fighting, I think this is just a small
part of the learning experience. I encourage all of my students
to enter tournaments for a period of time, only to test their own
abilities and to deal with the sport aspects of our arts.
Competition has certain benefits for a student's growth. Dealing
with fear, and also dealing with winning and losing are all part
of life. The real opponent we face at this point in training is
ourselves. Once the lessons have been learned you must move
forward, beyond tournaments.
With the big trend today in Brazilian Jui Jitsu and Cage Fighting, do
you think this overshadows the study of Chinese Martial Arts?
As for the Brazilian Jiu Jitsu or Cage Fighting events, this is
part of the tournament scene. They also have their place. Those
who know realize these types of events are not the true martial
arts either. The fighting aspects are considered to be the lowest
benefits of our training, spiritual growth being the highest
level. However, fighting skill is the first reason most people
study the martial arts.
This is natural, I myself started for
these reasons. But in time and with the right teachers to guide
you, higher levels are realized. People often forget that
Shao-lin monks don't advocate violence. They practice the arts to
cultivate and discipline the mind, body and spirit. Once these
levels are reached the fighting stops and the loving begins.
The philosophy and wisdom taught within the Shao-lin learning
experience are worth their weight in gold.
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Most Martial Artist have no understanding of philosophy, wisdom and inner
peace. There are al ot of schools that just teach students how to fight and
thats all, they aren't taught spirituality. Young martial artists especially
don't have first hand experience with this. I feel that there is a
missing piece to a puzzle and that young martial artists are not being taught
that martial arts are not just about fighting but are a lifestyle with many
components. What is your opinion on this topic?
The philosophy and wisdom taught within the Shao-lin learning
experience are worth their weight in gold. It is here that we
learn nature's deepest secrets. Sadly, there are those who do not
teach this aspect of our arts, simply because they have not
learned it. Therefore not every school will advocate the
traditional approach to learning. There will always be those who
just want to fight. This is the nature of man. There will always
be the Yin and Yang aspects to all things: those who do and those
who don't, those who will and those who won't. There is no
changing these forces. It is the people who must change. The path
of wisdom comes to those who seek it. Some will and some won't.
Do you mind if we get a little personal? I am sure that practioners of
Chinese Martial Arts and Martial Artist in general are curious on how has
Martial Arts has changed your life?
I can answer only one way: It is my life; I have done nothing else
since age nine. Without the martial arts my life would be empty,
devoid of meaning. I feel all I am now is just a result of my
training. It continues to grow in intensity in my life and
changes me more with each passing day. There seems to be no end
till my end.
You are an accomplished author and your work has been published in
martial arts magazines worldwide, and you have one of a few books out as well,
including "Chang Style Tai Chi Ch'uan." Do you have plans for writing another
book or having bringing your knowledge to the Hollywood?
I have two new books I am working on now: the revised version of my book
"Chang Shi Tai Chi Ch'uan" and a second book on Chang Tung
Sheng's Hsing Jing Ch'uan. The work is progressing and I hope to
have these books available to the public sometime in the coming
year.
As for Hollywood, I did have the experience of making a few
motion pictures in Taiwan, but I don't think Hollywood directors
will be calling me any time soon. I really never moved in that
direction nor had much interest in it. No loss to Hollywood.
There are many who find this very appealing to the ego and will
seek it. As for me, I feel much like the Chinese sage Lao Tzu.
When asked if he would like to govern the people of China, he
answered, "I would rather just sit here like a turtle and wag my
tail in the mud." To me Hollywood fame is the least of my
ambitions.
What are your feelings about young martial artists today?
As for the Martial arts of today, there is good and there is bad.
But as I have already stated, this is the interplay of Yin and
Yang. There will be good teachers and there will be bad teachers.
It has always been this way. Nothing really changes that much
when it come to human nature. There are great schools and there
are poor schools. If upcoming students just do a little research
and are careful in their selection of school and teacher, they
will have the chance to learn good martial arts. It is the
student in the final analysis who will have to find the
differences among schools and teachers. I can only suggest that
newcomers look closely before joining. There is enough
information on the internet today to help people find the best of
the best.
Do your students compete in tournaments?
There are greater rewards awaiting those who keep
moving forward in their training, awards that no tournament can
match.
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As I mentioned, I do think it is a part of the total
training. However, after my students have done their time I tell
them to then move forward. I feel about two to five years of
tournaments is enough for anyone who is on the traditional
learning path. There are greater rewards awaiting those who keep
moving forward in their training, awards that no tournament can
match.
And Lastly, Do you have any advice for the martial artist reading this?
I can only say, as my teacher told me, just
keep training. If you honestly apply yourself with full vigor you
will reach the highest levels of training. Masters are born from
students who never quit. I will end with a quote from Master
Chang Tung Sheng. This is the best advice I know:
"A Kung Fu man remains strong naturally. Coherence of the
different arts and skilled appliance of them is the main point
for him while practicing. Full vigor leads to a successful career
and constant discipline is the only key."
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